So is Ziegler lying? He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. I actually had to look that up. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. 0. That is a possible explanation. I am ready WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. <<<<<<<<<<<. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. ", "They were nutcases. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' Desire is always Other. How? Orgy? Lets look at the basic plot of this film. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. ",
wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . at the ceremony/orgy. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). Same voice. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? Crumb Eye. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? 2. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. But which'party' is Bill referring to? I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. Was she the women at the party?" Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. <<<<<<<<. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. It was a party nevertheless. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. How doesshe know this? Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. She helps Bill at the '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." <<<<<<< ceremony/orgy. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. What a joke to call them "philosophers." EWS was potential. Statanic mass? I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. This is simple. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Please either stop > or> shape up. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" andpleading with her to take off her mask? What else could he call it? I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. WebSynopsis. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Is that how youwould describe it? On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. or psychotherapists. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." The official cause of death was from a heart attack. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? Mandy was not the same woman. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. > He didn't recognise her voice. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. 1. 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