Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. That says it all. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. I am not sure. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. The person leaned into the car. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. Wrong. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. I agree with your comment. She was the prosecutions only hope. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. Her husband James Krauseneck was charged with her murder in November of this year. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. No OTHER reason. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. I followed the trial. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. WTF? By many accounts, her children adored her. It was the story of Diane Downs. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. What?? They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. She s. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. Thanks for posting for readers. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. So she warns her to stay away. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? Wow. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. I hope they have. Lockdowns in . I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). This is also what the state did to her. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Hysteria. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. No other shooter involved in her case. Her family supported her. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. What I believe doesnt matter at all. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. It was faulty. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. 1st, you came back from a trip? Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Speculative. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. Mission accomplished: Relevance? Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. 3 yr. ago. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. No worries. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to The GSR? The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Nobody near to help. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. They examined her clothes also. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. I was being sarcastic. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). Not giving you free reign here. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. Did she act like a average person? In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. I dont. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. I agree. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? We make them president. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Is it the one you tried to use? Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. I still dont buy her story. And I care about the lack of evidence. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. 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