They couldn't deploy it. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. WNYC is America's most listened-to public radio station and the producer of award-winning programs and podcasts like Radiolab, On the Media, and The Brian Lehrer Show. We will begin with this test. Yes. They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. Anytime the experimenter said, "You must continue." Yeah. So, here's the interesting thing. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. He actually was very humiliated that Germany had lost, and especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? They will invariably say something like, "They show that people obey orders." I'm going to resign.". If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." I mean-, So again, the baseline study is the one where 65 percent of the volunteers-, But in experiment number three, if they put the shock-ee in the same room-, With the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person that he's shocking-. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. It's a pretty (bleep) thing to miss, isn't it really? I actually did the first thing, but he saw my intentions and ran away." We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Iago. Be right back. Eugene [inaudible 01:07:32], Sierra Hahn, and everyone in the manuscript and archives department at the Yale University Library. So, it's very-. "I need to kill because of that." Our food source then moves into our bodies. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. 1933 comes. The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. This you and this two other participants. I-. And especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. In front of this really impressive looking machine. Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. Our fact checker's Michelle Harris because facts matter. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. In case you've never heard of this, probably have, but in case you haven't, here's what he did. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. I- horrified is- I was- I was pretty stunned. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. If I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." Just a little glimmer. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. And actually two nations in South America went to war. So, you're saying they're shocking these people because they thought it was worthwhile? I'll give you bad. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". And says, "This is intolerable. And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. September 15, 2022 Radiolab for Kids and WNYC Studios present Terrestrials, a six-episode miniseries hosted by Lulu Miller (co-host of Radiolab . There's- there's a lot of-. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. David had always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. I just needed to kill because of that. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? And Hitler takes over. You better check in on him, sir. You better check in on him sir. In any case-. In graphic detail. He would obscure. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. All rights reserved. In fact we hate being told. He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen. And is found by her son. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. He's such a puzzle to me. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. How could you? This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. They're engaged with the task. Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. Thanks. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? When Lucy was only two days old she was adopted by a psychologist and his wife who wondered: if given the right environment, how human could Lucy . You're bad." And he was someone who had very big ambitions. But you can't throw that air onto a plant. The story of Job is that one day God and Satan were having a conversation. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. Yeah. But it's suspected that it could be upwards of 75. I mean, that was make believe. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. I mean, yes, I did lie about that. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. ", Yeah, so here's the interesting thing. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod And this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006; total disobedience. When did he live, and what did he look and that kind of stuff? I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. And that's all the difference in the world. How many of them went into that kind of detail? Go. Um, I got a little, uh, I- my- this is my dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. No, because if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s, you could always go to a public hanging. Radiolab is supported by Audible. And then, he just trails off. And while you're doing that, just give me your finger. This next part's a little graphic. Despite the chlorine gas. And while David's sitting in the bedroom with this friend, the guy looks up at him, and he says-, Like through his teeth, "I'm going to kill her.". But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. But he is a, uh, a large, very strong man. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Why did you do this?" Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. Radiolab is supported by Audible. There's a lot of black and white thinking happening right now. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouths. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. I needed to kill her because that-. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. Uh, we ask "Who did you think about killing?" Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. I do not stand alone. Was he trying to make a commentary, and so was he grappling with something? Who are you?". You know [crosstalk 00:10:58]. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. They're going to record it okay. I mean-. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we if they're worthwhile doing, they're not always easy. He takes command of them partially, he travels to the front. That is captured the nitrogen right out of the air. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. The general's name is Othello. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". That's correct, because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it, its trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy is released, it can be used for life or death. I'm not saying a word. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. It gets bogged down. And so, uh, when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. We're going to meet her later. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies. I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. Okay. Sort of unsportsmanlike. This is how it describes what it does: 'Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. Or nice chair? You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". Here's what he did. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? Three times a year, two times before-. Thousands of people have done it before you. They continued shocking their corpses. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. Really? Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Wow. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. 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