Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. New International Version Finally that book! If you dont like it, too bad. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Paragraph. There's some really helpful information in there. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Because your worth it! LOL! The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. 4) Wrong on all counts. what evidence do you have for that?). It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. A point you also mentioned. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. All rights reserved. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. . He was unable to preach the second service. Name me one church that has handled everything well. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. As for his preaching, we will disagree. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! What am I gonna do? March 5, 2021 . This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. Sadly so. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. But to me that is clear what it is. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. And lets talk about finance. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. Regards. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. Thanks for this. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! . This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. point taken). For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Pastor / Teacher. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. . Legal Statement. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. What is there to apologise for? Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Some are good, some are bad. It all depends how you measure success! You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. PPS. Could you tell me the difference? "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. They do things right. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). It was not an accusation, nor an attack. I hope this mature and open enough for you! Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Opinion Mark Wingfield. All rights reserved. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. Hardly the same as Furticks message! How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. I find this very revealing. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. (Ezek. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . You were rightthat was not very mature. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. I kind of dreaded this type of response. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. as there are with me. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. Legal Statement. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. Jenna . And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . MacArthur has written three books on the subject. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. John MacArthur. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. Have mercy! Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. . 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. Can I suggest a little more humility? No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. 2. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Furtick preaches a different gospel. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. That is just nuts. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. 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