With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. There have also been subtle font changes. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. I really quite like that now. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. You are using an out of date browser. JavaScript is disabled. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Lima class 47 D1574 British Rail Green Livery UNBOXED at the best online prices at eBay! Bare minimum, low effort. Wholely agree. Read about the differences between Britain, the. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. Most of the coverage has focused on this. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. You are using an out of date browser. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. But theres no particular reason this should be. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. It really does look dire. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. 1948 -. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. This idea often seems to pop its head up. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. 3 Apr 2022 . Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. Why? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? Official Description. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. Messages: 1,398. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Bare minimum. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. The Union Jack will represent. What is of 2020s Britain then? After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! The Overground operates under its own livery. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. Erm are you sure about that? I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. It'll be operated quite differently. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Goodbye. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. Or the awful corporate blue BR? We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. JavaScript is disabled. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. We use cookies. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. 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